Monday, June 15, 2009
Thursday, June 11, 2009
anti-Fonda Rant
To the author and to those who pass this along:
The following links pertain to propaganda that follows.
Propaganda is this font. Commentary is this font..
“SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT
“YES SHE WAS A TRAITOR..!!
“In Memory of my brother-in-law LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton
“She really was a Traitor
“IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!
“She really was a traitor
“A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA”
This screed is atrocious. First the author and you advocate killing Jane Fonda. He says, three times, that Jane Fonda is a traitor. He and you want her to die for a lie, for two lies, for three lies. He includes an emotional dedication to some guy. Then he and you want me to forward this. Well, if I’m gonna forward something, shouldn’t it be legit? I have linked articles that address this propaganda at the top of this page.
“This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.
The author addresses this to ignorant amnesiacs who are unburdened by knowledge that loved ones had been tasked with killing and/or dying for the so-called safety of other people.
“Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' BY BARBRA WALTERS
“Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.”
So Fonda allegedly betrayed an idea that you, a real person, must be willing to kill and/or die for the benefit of a metaphysical nonentity. She apparently betrayed the idea that you belong to someone else, who has the right to dispose of your life, your liberty, and your property, to somebody’s benefit. And Fonda reportedly betrayed certain hired killers, some of whom died.
LIE NUMBER ONE:
“The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the 'Hanoi Hilton. Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet which sent that officer berserk. In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.”
Driscoll has flatly denied that this happened. He does not know how his name got linked to Fonda as a victim of her ‘treason’. In addition, why is this incident an act of treason by Fonda if Driscoll was supposed to have been punished after he spat at her? Neither the author nor you care about defining an act as treason using rational criteria, but are willing to hammer Fonda for events that did not occur, or were not her fault.
LIE NUMBER TWO:
“From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed[,clothed routine in preparation for a ‘peace delegation’ visit. They, however had time and devised a plan to] get word to the world that they were alive and still survived.. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand...When [they were] paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed to her a sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.”
Carrigan has denied that this happened. He also does not know how his name got linked to Fonda. Snopes noted that she met with seven POWs who had not been tortured to force them to meet with her. Does meeting with non-tortured men make her a traitor? Fonda did meet with POWs and did accept paper from them, envelopes with letters addressed to family members in the US. She delivered those letters to their recipients.
LIE NUMBER THREE:
“I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.' When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.' Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.”
What treason did Fonda commit? There is no information that Fonda actually met this fellow. I have not found an account of a meeting between them. This guy was tortured after he told the PO yes he would meet with her. It is obviously her bad, right? No, this is a lie that Fonda was responsible for the torture that the NVA folks inflicted.
“These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget...' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.
“RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343
“PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE”
You seem to think that Fonda owes to you her life for actions that never happened, or for which she was not responsible. You seem to believe that you have a right to execute someone for spite.
The following links pertain to propaganda that follows.
Propaganda is this font. Commentary is this font..
“SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT
“YES SHE WAS A TRAITOR..!!
“In Memory of my brother-in-law LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton
“She really was a Traitor
“IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!
“She really was a traitor
“A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA”
This screed is atrocious. First the author and you advocate killing Jane Fonda. He says, three times, that Jane Fonda is a traitor. He and you want her to die for a lie, for two lies, for three lies. He includes an emotional dedication to some guy. Then he and you want me to forward this. Well, if I’m gonna forward something, shouldn’t it be legit? I have linked articles that address this propaganda at the top of this page.
“This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.
The author addresses this to ignorant amnesiacs who are unburdened by knowledge that loved ones had been tasked with killing and/or dying for the so-called safety of other people.
“Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' BY BARBRA WALTERS
“Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.”
So Fonda allegedly betrayed an idea that you, a real person, must be willing to kill and/or die for the benefit of a metaphysical nonentity. She apparently betrayed the idea that you belong to someone else, who has the right to dispose of your life, your liberty, and your property, to somebody’s benefit. And Fonda reportedly betrayed certain hired killers, some of whom died.
LIE NUMBER ONE:
“The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the 'Hanoi Hilton. Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet which sent that officer berserk. In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.”
Driscoll has flatly denied that this happened. He does not know how his name got linked to Fonda as a victim of her ‘treason’. In addition, why is this incident an act of treason by Fonda if Driscoll was supposed to have been punished after he spat at her? Neither the author nor you care about defining an act as treason using rational criteria, but are willing to hammer Fonda for events that did not occur, or were not her fault.
LIE NUMBER TWO:
“From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed[,clothed routine in preparation for a ‘peace delegation’ visit. They, however had time and devised a plan to] get word to the world that they were alive and still survived.. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand...When [they were] paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed to her a sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.”
Carrigan has denied that this happened. He also does not know how his name got linked to Fonda. Snopes noted that she met with seven POWs who had not been tortured to force them to meet with her. Does meeting with non-tortured men make her a traitor? Fonda did meet with POWs and did accept paper from them, envelopes with letters addressed to family members in the US. She delivered those letters to their recipients.
LIE NUMBER THREE:
“I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.' When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.' Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.”
What treason did Fonda commit? There is no information that Fonda actually met this fellow. I have not found an account of a meeting between them. This guy was tortured after he told the PO yes he would meet with her. It is obviously her bad, right? No, this is a lie that Fonda was responsible for the torture that the NVA folks inflicted.
“These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget...' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.
“RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343
“PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE”
You seem to think that Fonda owes to you her life for actions that never happened, or for which she was not responsible. You seem to believe that you have a right to execute someone for spite.
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