Saturday, June 28, 2014

12 Voluntarist v National Socialist Progressive via e-mail.2008

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'The Pledge of Allegiance' - by Senator John McCain

'As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.

This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.

Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.

Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt.

Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it.

That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could

The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung, one in each corner of the room.

As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world. You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.'


'I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

The pledge of allegiance was developed by socialist minister Frances Bellamy to indoctrinate children into being loyal servants to the State.

You are expected to promise to obey a man-made article that represents a man-made artifact. You are expected to obey a non-existent nonentity, with no justice, and no liberty for most folks nbsp; Let's talk reality.

The republic is really a dictatorship.
There is no such thing as justice.
Liberty has been abolished over the last 70 years, or more, a bit at a time.
The original pledge did not refer to God at all. That reference was added to help people distinguish between the United Socialist State of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
The war of southern secession resulted in a centrally-governed State that does not allow states to secede from the Union.

McCain has already promised to send your children, your grandchildren, their children, and their grandchildren to die at the behest of cannibals. Obama will do likewise.

The war on terror is a war against you.

Doc Ellis 124

Progressive response #1
Doc, that is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have read in a long long time. You want to talk about "liberty"... the mere fact that you have put such gibberish into written form and have signed your name to it with no fear of repercussion is testament to the liberty you so obviously take for granted. You also exercised your freedom of speech in sending an unsolicited opinion to someone whose e-mail you obtained by simple virtue of a club membership, therefore I am going to exercise my right to privacy and request you remove my e-mail from your batch messages. Thank you

Progressive response #2
Hey, I actually think this did not come from lions membership (at least not Acton, maybe AD) but it blew me away. Is this a fellow Lion's member talking? Thank you for voicing your opinion. I a pretty picky about who I email. I would never mass email a group of club members- any club for that matter. Gads! Look I won't "reply to all" because I am that picky. I am however "blank copying" a few. So proud to be an American!

Progressive response #3
Keep your political trash for yourself. As a naturalized citizen I don't need to be educated in American history. I came here for the very reasons our Constitution stands for. I was raised under Hitler's dictatorship. You need to be educated in different forms of government. You don't know what you are talking about.
Do not reply and remove me from your spam list.
Proud to be an American!
 

OK, guys:

If your name was on the distribution list of the e-mail to which I replied, you got my reply.
When I respond to agitprop, I reply to everyone.

Just because you have what it takes to be a naturalized citizen, does not mean you can't be mistaken about life in your adopted country. Life elsewhere may have been worse than here. Life here has been degraded by people who are supposed to be working for you, not ruling you.

Have you forgotten that The Military Commissions Act of 2006 stripped the right of habeas corpus from all folks, not just terrorism suspects?
Have you forgotten that the President, the Vice President, and many other elected officials lied to you to justify attacks on un-armed men, women and children by armed men and women? Do you really believe that you have as much liberty today as you had when you were naturalized?

Lions: You better take a look at the distribution list to this John McCain's remarks. You will see that it has a lot of names including some Lions. Do you still think that I sent this to you because you're a Lion? Let me ask you something, "What do the letters L,I,ONS mean?"
L=liberty, I=intelligence, ONS= our nation's safety. You have to have the first two to get the last.

Why are you upset that I stand up for your own rights? I believe that utopia is not an option. I believe that you own you. Why do you have a problem with me speaking against propaganda, put out by people advancing the cult of the state? Why are you angry about reading about how little liberty we have? Are you afraid that the truth in which you trusted is a lie?

So, really, why do you have a problem with someone declaring that the pledge of allegiance is a lie?

One: you live in a dictatorship, not a republic. The Soviet Union had a President who was elected, an Assembly that was elected, and Courts, just like the United State with a President, Congress, and Federal Courts. The Soviet Union has been recognized as being a dictatorship. Yet citizens voted these people into power, just as citizens vote people into power over here.

Two: Justice is the restoration to a prior state of property affected by a tort. You know, there is no way to restore you to life if you are murdered. There is no way to restore peace of mind when you discover that you have been robbed. There is no way to make up for the damage inflicted on your ancestors by other ancestors.

Three: Ever since the Constitution was ratified, folks in the US have tried to steer the course of government in their favor at the expense of the liberties of everyone else. For example, four of the first such efforts the Naturalization Act, Alien Friends Act, Alien Enemies Act,and Sedition Act, enacted by the Congress in 1798, all violated the tenth amendment to the Constitution. Today, you and I have less liberty than our counterparts living then. In my lifetime, laws have been passed that deny us the right to self-defense, the right to privacy, the right to possess property.

Four: Socialist Baptist minister Francis Bellamy, devised the pledge in 1892 reportedly to teach obedience to the State as a virtue. If you believe obedience to the State is a virtue, there is nothing I can do for you.

Now I have supported my position. I have not seen any rational or documented responses to my reply.

You have not made your case.

One more time, if you get my reply to agitprop, your name was on the distribution list of that agitprop.

Doc Ellis,

proud to be a liberty-oriented LIONS man


Monday, June 23, 2014

11 Voluntarist v National Socialist Progressive

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Illegals are invaders and law breakers, here to take what is not theirs. We have laws providing people the opportunity to come here to work or to be a citizen. Though the laws may not be perfect they are in place to protect all concerned. I feel no illegal nor non- citizen should be able to receive ANY resource such has housing, food stamps, medicaid, medicare or aid of any kind ;these should be for citizens only . ALL jobs should be open to our own citizens, esp our veterans first . Humanitarian efforts should be done in their country not ours. America can not save the world, in reality she is now ignoring her own citizens to help others for political reasons. Until the job situation for our own citizens, who are unemployed and for whatever reason why ,an able body citizen is not working is resolved, I say our border should be closed.

Illegals are invaders and law breakers, here to take what is not theirs.---

--isn't that what government folks do? invade and steal? violate international laws? aren't you writing about the US government?

We have laws providing people the opportunity to come here to work or to be a citizen.
---you mean as in Germany in 1933?

Though the laws may not be perfect they are in place to protect all concerned.

---such as insecure, frightened folks like you?

 I feel no illegal nor non- citizen should be able to receive ANY resource such has housing,food stamps, medicaid, medicare or aid of any kind ;these should be for citizens only

---isn't that how folks lived in Germany during the 1930s and 1940s? and why are these resources properly provided by government folks using stolen resources?

ALL jobs should be open to our own citizens, esp our veterans first .

----so you think that employers must behave according to your wants? I get that you are promoting socialism, that is government folks get to decide who works where.

 America can not save the world, in reality she is now ignoring her own citizens to help others for political reasons

---so, something that does not exist cannot save the world....true...neither can it ignore or help....

 Until the job situation for our own citizens, who are unemployed and for whatever reason why ,an able body citizen is not working is resolved, I say our border should be closed.

---so you want to live like folks in North Korea, or in East Germany, or in Cuba...all these areas have or had closed borders...

No, I do not promote socialism I promote USA Americanism...where the US citizens have top priority ,no matter who they might be, to any resources they have and are taxed for. I do not promote an open border, I do promote enforcing our immigration laws in place. I promote sending help, if appropriate to do so, to people in their own country not bringing them to ours.

in other words that form of progressivsm known as national socialism....got it...

I promote supporting our US troops. I promote flying the US flag here in our country. I promote speaking English and all others learning it. I promote protecting our US citizens from other countries felons and contagious diseases.

 I promote getting Obama and his crew out of office!!!!!!!
Doc Ellis sounds to me you support socialism not I.


 I promote supporting our US troops.

---a lot like folks in Italy in 1929-1940s

I promote flying the US flag here in our country. I promote speaking English and all others learning it.

---just like folks in Germany or China...

I promote protecting our US citizens from other countries felons and contagious diseases.

---another progressive argument for controlling other folks behaviour

about socialism


http://sweetwaterlibertydispatch.blogspot.com/2009/08/anti-socialist.html

I am thinking you have been brain washed with the Obama way of thinking...perhaps you should reread the older books of history to get the true facts and see how the Obama administration seems to be following Hitler's way of thinking. I am a full supporter of all people who go through the legal way of US citizenship or to be able to work in the US to better themselves or to go to our colleges. But unless your are a citizen of the USA..... NO BENEFITS PERIOD, THEY SHOULD SUPPORT THEMSELVES .....or go home.Like I said we have Immigration Laws not much different than other countries. OUR CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE JOBS over any other period! We have these laws in place to protect the US citizens .Doc Ellis perhaps you may be happier living in another country if you do not like ours. You do have the freedom to leave you know.

I get that you did not read what I wrote about socialism....

You apparently can not recognize a US citizen who does not believe nor support socialism or dictatorship... I say Sir, you are simply stirring the pot ,getting nothing done but complaining. If you are sincere in promoting action perhaps you could take your solutions starting in your own political community to apply for true change.

that would start with refusing to have anything to do with any government folks.... you do not know what socialism or what progressivsm are. you make no effort to dispute my analysis of your stated beliefs. instead, you use beside-the-point arguments that reveal to a discerning reader that you are a government-oriented individual...

by the way, I hire who ever I want to hire. How dare you demand that I hire whoever you want me to hire? I do business without regard to whether my client is in this neighborhood with government folks' permission. And you say you do not support dictatorship? by what authority do you presume to direct my associations for business or other purposes? You say you are not socialist, yet you demand that I hire government-approved folks.


Saturday, March 9, 2013

10 Should Leading to Shall

Malcom Williams 8:10 AM 2013.03.09 I know this is off topic for this thread but I think anyone who owns more than 2 houses should donate them 2 victims of Hurricane sandy. How was that for helping your fellow Americans?

Malcom Williams- do you advocate voluntary donations or do you favour the use of up-to-lethal-force backed declarations by folks who presume to regulate the lives of other folks? 

I get that folks who write 'should' support such regulation of lives. The opinion of those who write 'should' influences regulators to say 'shall' through their up-to-lethal-force backed declarations. I get that folks who write 'should' see lives as resources that someone must manage because managing lives is a moral act. Are you one of those folks who think this way? 

I would have stressed that I thought that folks who had property could voluntarily make such donations, recognising that some folks get their living expences from several house rentals.


Tuesday, July 13, 2010

Conservative Collectivist Country Propaganda 2010.07.12

From a propagandist:

What has happened to our country since 911? If people who live in our country don't like our country - don't believe it is a privilege to live in America - don't pledge their allegiance to our flag, constitution, and sovereignty and support our constitution and military - then they are free to leave - The beauty of America for those who don't pledge their allegiance to America is freedom - Any person is free to leave the U.S.!


My response:

You say our country.  What do you mean?  I do not own a country.  Do you own a country?

You say that living is a privilege.  That is the clearest indication of a collectivist that I have ever seen.

The pledge of allegiance is a nationalist socialist scam.  It was developed by a man who wanted to divert folks’ attention from self ownership to obedience to a State.

The flag that you worship is a banner under which thousands of killers have slaughtered millions of innocents in the name of liberating them.

A constitution is a compromised condom that governments use for protection when they use that instrument called law to rape those over whom they exercise power. 

Sovereignty is ownership of a life.  You clearly believe that the lives of those who live within the borders of, and under the power, the US are owned by its government.  You are wrong.  I own my life.  No one else owns my life.

Military employees kill folks for the benefit of governments.  

You say that folks can leave.  Not so true.   Just try to leave for a more liberty-oriented society.  No such place at the present.

Freedom is the power to say no.  Liberty is that state of living where saying no is respected.  Not here in the US.  Folks can go to jail or die for saying no.

People like you are the ones responsible for the destruction of innocent lives by US government employees, federal, state, and local.  People like you have made the election of folks like Bushit I, Cliton, Bushit II, and Oshita possible.  People like you made the bankruptcies, fiscal and moral, of the US society possible.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Propagandist reply:

Doc, sorry you hate our country, but I love it and I love the American people - all countries have problems - that means you don't support our military men and women - my dad and uncles were wounded in the war fighting for our freedom including yours - But, as I state, you are living in a free nation because of the veterans and our military - and you, too, are free to leave and also to remove yourself from my site.
 Don't address me as "people like you." That's insulting and please remove me from your site.

Sunday, September 13, 2009

Ed Freeman

These links are about Ed Freeman. The propaganda is mostly true. The lies are bold italic. If you are gonna pass around propaganda, research it first so you can clean it up before forwarding it and/or defend it if you are challenged by a reader The Freeman story does not need embellishment of lies. It stands alone. Research the propaganda. Clean it up. Send it. Why is that so hard to do?

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/military/a/ed_freeman.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Freeman

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/freeman.asp

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/e/ed-freeman.htm

Ed Freeman


You're a 19-year-old kid. You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle in the Ia Drang Valley, 11-14-1965, LZ X-ray, Vietnam. Your infantry unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards away, that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac helicopters to stop coming in.

You're lying there, listening to the enemy
machine guns, and you know you're not getting out. Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away and you'll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day.

Then, over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter and you look up to see an unarmed Huey, but it doesn't seem real because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.

Ed Freeman is coming for you. He's not Medi-Vac, so it's not his job, but he's flying his Huey down into the
machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs were ordered not to come.

He's coming anyway.

And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire as they load 2 or 3 of you on board.

Then he flies you up and out, through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses.

And he kept coming back, 13 more times, and took about 30 of you and your buddies out, who would never have gotten out.

Medal of Honor Recipient Ed Freeman died on Wednesday, June 25th, 2009, at the age of 80, in Boise, ID. May God rest his soul.

Medal of Honor Winner, Ed Freeman!

Michael Jackson dies and it’s 24/7 news coverage. A real hero dies and not a mention of it anywhere except in the Boise Obituaries.
The media has no honor and God is watching.

Since the media didn't give him the coverage he deserves, send this to every red-blooded American you know.

THANKS AGAIN, ED, FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR OUR COUNTRY.

RIP

Sunday, July 5, 2009

On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs.

http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm (From the book, "On Combat", by Lt Col.Dave Grossman)

It is well written and thought out propaganda. Note that only government employees are qualified to be "sheepdogs". If you are not a government employee, you have to be a "wolf" or a "sheep". If you are a "wolf", even if you never harm a "sheep", you are fair game for the "sheepdog".

I work around a lot of different animals including sheepdogs and sheep. These animals don't always behave the way folks say.

I have been reading "In Praise of Wolves" by RD Lawrence. He says that wolves only kill to eat and that they have a method of interacting that enables them to survive. Looks to me like wolves don't always behave the way folks say.

In this analogy, animals are consumption actors. Herbivore “Citizen Ewe” is shepherded, sheared, shagged, slaughtered, and savored. Carnivorous “Deputy Dog” cooperates and collaborates, corralling the sheep. Carnivorous “Outlaw Wolf” competes, and consumes.

So, who owns sheep? Who directs dogs? Who defines wolves?

You own you. You are not chattel requiring protection. You are not a dog obligated to defend owner interests of chattel. You are not a wolf destroying chattel. You are a human who can learn to defend himself, who can join with other like-minded folks in mutual defense, who can control his impulses to consume more than he produces.

Monday, June 15, 2009

Patriotism

Patriotism by Begala

"Patriotism is putting your country ahead of yourself" –Paul Begala :http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/15/begala.taxes/index.html

This is the ultimate summary of the collectivist. This is the view that you owe to a metaphysical nonentity a duty to exchange what is most beneficial to you for that which benefits the nonentity.

Patriotism is a form of collectivism.
Collectivism is a form of stupidity and moral laziness.
Stupidity is a refusal to think. Moral laziness is support for hateful action against a person in the name of love for a nonentity.